NEOS - January 25, 2004
Author: Daisuke Yamashita
Version: 1.1
Reviewed by: Steve Streza & Phillip Ryu
User Rating: 
66%
NEOS is yet another dark OS X theme, the first to take advantage of ShapeShifter's advanced features, and present a truly dark theme. Yet, one wonders if dark themes are still not quite possible on OS X. Usability issues abound, detracting from the overall theme.
Aesthetics
NEOS is an interesting theme, presenting what appears to be a tight UI with a distinct, rubber feel. However, this is clearly a look with both highly appealing elements, and others that frankly look like they were left unfinished. Though NEOS strikes you from the theme preview with its sleek, rubbery look, the effect is nearly ruined by inconsistencies in the elements that the theme unfortunately houses. While some elements of the theme are fantastic (the author's user of brushed windows is really quite unique), many are sloppy. Many elements look like mere color shifted Aqua originals, only slightly modified. For example, tabs look like, well, black Aqua tabs. While some might argue that this decision was made for familiarity, or perhaps consistency, I prefer to think of it as a lack of inspiration. NEOS wasn't designed to be an Aqua-derivative, like Aqua Extreme or Brushed are, so I feel that other graphics would have been more appropriate.
My biggest beef with NEOS, however, is its menubar implementation and the font color choice. While the window titlebars are so promising with their unique and slick implementations, the menu looks cheap. To the author, I believe that this is for three reasons: First, the selected menu items are accented with a tacky blue gradient that feels completely out of place with a theme that so resembles a 3D object. Second, the apple icon is another element that feels unfinished; it is flat, and could in my opinion look a lot cooler as sunken, backlit by a soft white light. Third, the font color choice. This actually refers to the theme as a whole. Why the baby blue? I think blue is a pretty good second option, but I wonder why Daisuke decided to ditch the cool white present in window widgets and other elements, and go for what really seems out of place in black rubber. The blue not only seems awkward on the theme's surface, it also brings inconsistency to the theme, which has many elements lit with a white glow. Frankly, NEOS gives the impression that the author burned out after a few admittedly beautiful ideas.
Of course, not everything is unappealing. Sliders, progress bars, and especially the spinner, look very nice in NEOS. (The spinner is a very high tech looking series of white lights spinning furiously around a circular grid. This is something that really should be seen first hand.) And as mentioned, the windows themselves are beautiful. NEOS has immense potential, and is really quite original, which makes the inconsistent elements and lack of completeness ever more disappointing.
Usability
If you've read any of my other reviews on dark themes, such as Shinobi or Titanium, you know that dark themes can be tough to get right. Unfortunately, NEOS suffers many of the same problems. There is the inevitable clash of dark on white, which is pretty unavoidable at this point, and the text color problems, which tend to make some text unreadable. Applications that use custom elements such as Microsoft's office suite and Mail as usually look terrible in this dark theme, and the author's lackluster menu mods do not help. While the volume indicator is readable, the airport menu widget and battery indicators are not. Oh, and it's white, lovely against the clashing light blue text that populates the rest of the menu.
However, some things do look nicer than you'd expect. The Finder, for some curious reason, looks very, very nice, in both brushed metal or "aqua" modes. iTunes, which only gets its scrollbars changed when you putz with themes, looks strangely attractive. Certain apps here and there look good, but I was unimpressed with the most common apps I use, mostly due to inconsistencies in un-themed elements.
Extras
BORRRING. A much needed Safari Icon set is it. Period. El punto. Plus, you have to download it seperately; it doesn't come in the same package. I don't know if the Japanese have different customs when dealing with packaging Mac OS X theme replacement sets, but that really is curious and unintuitive. NEOS is a theme that could really use a high quality desktop picture or two, and a system icon set from the author. Because of the huge difference that comes automatically for dark themes, please don't leave users with the default Aqua icons and Apple's bright desktops! The colors clash enough as it is.
NEOS is another dark theme that doesn't really do its job very well, but has much potential. Yes, it's unique, and yes certain elements are done beautifully and with inspiration... but the flaws in many cases outweigh the perks. A white text colored version would be greatly appreciated, as would be updated menu extras, an improved menu, and more extras. Try again, Mr. Yamashita, because NEOS could become one of the very best themes with some more work.
Comments
Posted by NetworkShadow at January 27, 2004 10:02 AM | Edit | Delete
Boooo under rated!!! This is one of the top dark themes around, it gets a 9 out of 10 in my book. Better than Shinobi even. This is one of my favorite themes!
Posted by kovacs at January 27, 2004 10:48 AM | Edit | Delete
Aesthetics are very nice and I agree with NetworkShadow, this theme looks even better than Shinobi, this theme certainly has some usability problems but so does any other black theme, considering the limitations in SS I think he did fairly well. An extra icon set and wallpaper would be nice but they are not essential, you find plenty of wallpapers on the net, however we could really use a nice black icon set ( Bombia are you listening ;-) to go with all these black themes. The missing menu extras are just sloppy and the separate safari set is annoying but I still think the rating of 4 is a little bit low.
Posted by Thomas at January 27, 2004 11:11 AM | Edit | Delete
I agree with NetworkShadow; this theme is underrated. I believe this to to be one of the best dark themes out there. That's just my opinion though.
Posted by Zachary at January 27, 2004 11:20 AM | Edit | Delete
I think the rating was too low, but I also agree that the look here is unfinished. I have different reasons than the reviewer though... I think the light blue was meant to have a laser LED light look and the white was supposed to be the highlights on physical objects. The unfinished part is that the blue doesn't quite have that glow. If it did I think there would be no question as to the intent of the look. I also think that complaints about the consistancy is misguided. Pulldown menus look better when they're almost an ephemeral, transluscent or otherwise very temporary looking version of the theme's style. Just like how progress bars and throbbing buttons are an animated version of the style. Maybe the best theme to demonstrate this is the Jaguar theme BBX Mercury, the worst is probably FatalE which is totally consistant all the way through making it somewhat boring. NEOS is unfinished, but I think the ideas and current state of execution deserves more credit, I'd rather use this than DSX, and the brushed windows look better than Shinobi.
Posted by Phillip Ryu at January 27, 2004 11:36 AM | Edit | Delete
The reason why this theme's score is this low is mostly due to its (lack of) extras, which is a real problem. A score of 4 in this category I think was pretty reasonable, as NEOS has nothing besides white menu extras (with ugly jaggy edges, clearly with not much work put into them) and a safari skin. The potential is much, much more. Imagine NEOS with its own dark icon set, a desktop, and fully modded menu extras! By raising the extras score to say, an 8, the theme would have earned a 7.8 overall. With the format of our reviews, extras makes a huge difference, so I hope it's clear that the the theme by itself is more of a C+/B, it's the extras that brings this down.
That having been said, I kept on asking steve to raise the score, but last word was his :P. If you feel strongly about this review, make full use of voting and comments like others have so far; other opinions are good.
Posted by at January 27, 2004 12:33 PM | Edit | Delete
Man you harshed on this theme. I think it's stupid to detract points for not having extras...after all, they are EXTRAS. Rate a theme based on its own merits, not whether it comes with custom crap for Safari etc.
Posted by Phillip Ryu at January 27, 2004 12:51 PM | Edit | Delete
Then what should I do, discount the wonderful extras that many other themers include? I think extras are becoming an important thing as mac themes turn into gui kits. Especially with a theme like NEOS, consistent extras are really necessary to complete the experience. Does anyone disagree with this point? Some may think extras have too much weight, but that's what the reviewer's weight category is for. At the very least though, I don't think the category is "stupid".
Posted by div at January 27, 2004 01:10 PM | Edit | Delete
I agree with nearly everyone else that has commented on this review thus far. You guys _severly_ underrated this theme. I can't believe the reviewers gave Titanium an overall rating of 8.6, and then turned around and gave NEOS an overall rating of 6.8. That just boggles my mind.
I personally don't care about "extras", but even if I did I don't think they should weigh that heavily on the overall theme rating. I give this theme 9 out of 10 stars. I'd give it a full 10 if only some text (such as Safari interface text) were more readable. I'm also disappointed that macthemes.net gave this theme such a low score, and
I congratulate Daisuke Yamashita for creating a fantastic, unique theme.
Posted by Ernest Liu at January 27, 2004 01:51 PM | Edit | Delete
I'm impressed with anyone who can make a good dark theme, as I've said before. It is quite a challenge to make dark themes look good. This theme is underrated, and should deserve an 8 at LEAST (in my opinion). Great job Daisuke Yamashita!
Posted by Thomas at January 27, 2004 02:28 PM | Edit | Delete
I think extras should be just like extra credit. It shouldn't count against someone if they don't do it.
Posted by at January 27, 2004 04:13 PM | Edit | Delete
"You guys _severly_ underrated this theme. I can't believe the reviewers gave Titanium an overall rating of 8.6, and then turned around and gave NEOS an overall rating of 6.8. That just boggles my mind."
Agreed. Titanium makes me cringe, while all this lacks is better menus and white text, and I have a mod which satisfies this. If I were rating my mod, I would give it a 5. This also is one of those dark themes that really don't have as much of a noticeable clash with white...
Posted by sb at January 27, 2004 04:46 PM | Edit | Delete
Well, it looks like 100% agreement that this review blows :P
Seriously, I think "Extras" are indeed extra-credit worthy, but I honestly almost never use them - so I don't like that part.
As for your comments on the theme itself, it's pretty obvious from the sampling here (and my 2¢ as well) that this theme is better than that. I don't want to bore anyone with "why" I like it, I just do - as do others.
I've seen some pretty high ratings for some so-so themes, so this one took me by surprise.
SB
Posted by Ozzpot at January 27, 2004 04:53 PM | Edit | Delete
I don't agree with this review at all. I rank this theme above Shinobi now. The baby blue text is beautiful, unique and modern. I don't think any of the elements look unfinished at all. The tabs don't remind me of aqua in the slightest. The apple logo is cool, unique and refreshing. I love this theme to bits. It is gorgeous. The best dark theme there is. And yes, extras such as application skins should be considered as extra credit and not considered when rating the theme itself. (Although I am dying fof a NEOS VLC skin).
Posted by Max Rudberg at January 27, 2004 04:57 PM | Edit | Delete
I'm not sure why you are all so outraged? 6.8/10 is not a bad score, the user rating is close to that. I think that perhaps the score should be a little bit better defined perhaps, I mean 6.8 is above average so it's a good theme. A bad rating would be 3 or 4, if that was the score, it would be unfair. I think it has a fair rating.
It's a real cool theme, but I agree that the apple menu, text colors and the async arrows could been done better. And if it lacks extras, I think it's fair to give it a low rating on that. It's still a good theme.
Posted by CobraHQ at January 27, 2004 06:02 PM | Edit | Delete
I think this theme is well done... BUT... there are a few items that interfere with the overall look. Like the ichat buttons... quite a few apps tend to have white outlines or buttons are coloured incorrectly... the Safari bookmarks menu and the tabs still being darkly coloured... but really, I'm very happy with the look of this theme. It's sleek... it's stylish... it's very clean and crisp.
If that's not a good theme... I don't know what is. :P
Posted by at January 27, 2004 06:52 PM | Edit | Delete
The rating may be fair in and of itself, but not relative to the other themes (Titanium comes to mind; that thing is ugly). You need lots more themes to start balancing the reviews better. You also need OTHER REVIEWERS too.
I think the Extras rating should be separated as "bonus points" rather than averaged into the whole score. That way the good ones get props, and themers who dont make extras aren't penalized.
Posted by bluevertical at January 27, 2004 08:13 PM | Edit | Delete
all together now.... BOOOOOOOOOOOOO. bad rating. titanium is in no way above this theme and that isn't taste that's on merit. this has made me definitely not too stoked about reading other reviews in the future.
take a good look at your review system. it stinks.
Posted by Steve Streza at January 27, 2004 08:42 PM | Edit | Delete
Well, perhaps our definition and our readers' definitions of "extras" different. In the reviews, an extra is some functionaility that should be in the theme file itself, but isn't due to technical reasons. Safari skins and system icons are perfect examples. By now, most "extras" are naturally expected to be there. Just as you'd expect a CD player you buy to have anti-skip, you'd expect a theme to have Safari skins.
Furthermore, an extra is an extension of the theme itself. Imagine a bright red theme. Contrasting with the blue system icons, it'd make a horrible mess on your display. But, those are still extras. According to the people posting comments on here, even if the system looked like a horrible mess due to a lack of a specific "extra", it wouldn't justify degrading the score.
Finally, a review is just that. Someone's opinion on a specific theme. If you disagree with a theme review, that's your perogative. However, just as you have a unique opinion, I do as well.
Posted by swiz at January 27, 2004 09:37 PM | Edit | Delete
Im with Max and Phill on this. While overall the theme is awesome, very consistent, and not boringly so which is a plus, the lack of extras, the (opinion) dirty and busy menus detract from the exquisite nature of the textured window and widgets.
I think the excitement surrounding this theme is warranted mostly due to its very refined, slick appearance. The fact that it is this refined and a minimalist black theme (the first too by the way as all Izawa's dark themes are rather complex with titlebar endcaps and more complex controls) is probably the reason everyone is so up in arms about this rating. It is a great great theme but there is room for improvement in regards to extras and the suggestions of Phill. And as Max said, this is not a bad rating by any means. Just because its your favorite theme for the week doesnt mean it deserves a 10 or whatever.
Posted by at January 27, 2004 09:56 PM | Edit | Delete
So swiz, you honestly think Titanium is better than NEOS?
Posted by sb at January 27, 2004 10:13 PM | Edit | Delete
Well, I guess this is liek being pissed at Ebert and Roper - there's no seeing things the way the "experts" do apparently.
I have to say though that it appears 99% of those non-themers that took the time to read and comment disagree with you guys...maybe you need to add one of us "laymen" to help even things out?
I perosnally think that the ratings of some themes are way too high, and as is this one, too low.
It's like a frat around here, and that's not a compliment.
I admire you guys who make these things, but I think you're being a little snooty in regards to "our" opinions.
SB
Posted by bluevertical at January 27, 2004 10:29 PM | Edit | Delete
very well put sb. there does appear to be an extreme lack of consistency here. seriously, giving this theme a lower rating than titanium. come on... thats just plain wrong.
i think you can honestly see by the posts that you are simply out numbered by individuals who feel the system is flawed. you can either sit there on your high horse and say "it is because i say it is" or you can take another look at the system and try to rectify it's disproportionate rating system. rating quantity vs. quality is simply not the way...
Posted by Kwad at January 27, 2004 10:39 PM | Edit | Delete
In response to the review given on NEOS, by Mr. Yamashita i would like to comment first by saying i am presently using the theme and i do believe that it was beautifully put together in comparison to the many themes that are out there. What this author has done is removed the typical aqua look by not changing one of two little things and then calling it worked, but he took much time out to change the over all appearance and feel of themeing.
Those who also theme need to invest a little more time and look closely at what Mr. Yamashita has created and then take out a pen and paper and make notes of your observings because many of you lack creaticity because from what i have seen it seems as if some of you are too scared to venture or lack the skills in other ball parts of themeing.
Like many- I know we are afraid or too use to change so when something else is presented we cannot accept it and so i think that is what happened in this case. In closing we are entitled to our opnions and we'll leave it at just that. Five stars to Mr. Yamashita for being out of the norm of themeing and i'm looking forward to more.
Posted by kovacs at January 28, 2004 04:19 AM | Edit | Delete
There is nothing wrong with the review itself, it's a very critical one ( like any review should be ). The only problem seems to be the rating which isn't consistent with the rest of the review. Phillip Ryu seems like a nice guy but sometimes he is too nice and big bad Steve ( hehe ) could help to make the reviews a little bit more critical and objective... Any review should be read be at least some people, the opinions of a team should be reflected in the review and not of one person...
Posted by Max Rudberg at January 28, 2004 06:04 AM | Edit | Delete
Ok, I have to agree that this theme is better than Titanium. In that sense, the ratings probably should be overlooked.
But like Steve said, the review is just one persons opinion on a theme and you probably should look at the user rating instead. The current user rating for Titanium is 66% and for NEOS 77%, which sounds very fair to me.
Posted by Phillip Ryu at January 28, 2004 06:07 AM | Edit | Delete
Clearly this discussion shows something a bit off here, so I'm going to re-evaluate both review's scores.. I'll let you guys know here if the scores are changed.
Posted by Gramage at January 28, 2004 06:58 AM | Edit | Delete
I love this theme. I find the blue VERY nice. Lowers the contrast (white in black hurts my eyes), without killing the readability.
I do agree that the Menu's could/should be blue too, and the Apple menu could be re-done, and the white elements switched to blue to enhance the consistency, but other than that, I love this theme. Even made some wallpapers to go with it.
For some reason, it reminds me of Halo...
Posted by Gramage at January 28, 2004 07:02 AM | Edit | Delete
I suppose Daisuke could make blue and white versions, that would make people happy.
Does anyone know if he speaks english? I'd like to email him, but I speak no Japanese...
Posted by Acrimonator at January 28, 2004 09:23 AM | Edit | Delete
From what I've understood about that theme is that white icon and blue text are exactly what Mr. Yamashita seems to have chosen. I say that because I observed that all symbol/icons/pics are white and text blue, wherever each are... This seems to be its choice.
i.e. the battery .menu wich icon is white, clock too...
Posted by Acrimonator at January 28, 2004 09:35 AM | Edit | Delete
I mean, that works that way
homepage.mac.com/anarkid/neos.jpg
Posted by Acrimonator at January 29, 2004 09:20 AM | Edit | Delete
Was wrong...
Posted by NetworkShadow at January 29, 2004 11:34 AM | Edit | Delete
It's my favorite theme right now, that should count for something. I don't see why anyone would think 6.8 is fair, an 8 would be the lowest I'd expect for this theme. Max's XP theme got 8.8, and everyone knows that XP's interface is far from as good as NEOS, some could go as far as calling it ugly... sure Max did a good job too but XP isn't very cool looking.
Posted by swiz at January 29, 2004 01:39 PM | Edit | Delete
How did you quantify that I think Titanium is better than NEOS from my comment? Because Titanium has more extras? Im not putting that much weight on the extras, and while Titanium is not for me, it is one hell of a complete suite. NEOS is more slick, Titanium has more extras. They are both good themes in their own right. The subdued gray nature of Titanium turns me off, so to be blunt I do like NEOS more.
Posted by SB at January 29, 2004 03:03 PM | Edit | Delete
I just bought ShapShifter because of this theme and Alumite, Brushed, and DSX. I will try Xp for kicks - but I bought a Mac because I DON'T want to look like a PC tool - JK. Nice work on XP Max, but you understand!
SB
Posted by Steve Streza at January 30, 2004 07:54 PM | Edit | Delete
Here's what I can do for you guys. Since a lot of you think the review was unfair, and since a new version of NEOS is out, I'll talk to Phil about maybe writing another review for NEOS. What do you guys think? Sound off about it.
Posted by SB at January 30, 2004 09:58 PM | Edit | Delete
Please do. I normally don't think bowing to pressure about reviews not going "my way" is a good thing, but this one looks to be pretty off the mark.
This theme is great, and after using it for a day now, I really love it.
I also love Brushed, Milk, DSX+ and Shinobi, if that tells you anything.
SB
Posted by Kwad at January 31, 2004 12:56 AM | Edit | Delete
Gramage,
I've contacted the author of the theme and he does not write in English without a translator, but he will make every attempt to reply with the use of his translator.
Posted by Keyser at February 21, 2004 02:22 PM | Edit | Delete
I think everyone should remember that these reviews are all subjective. What looks good to one person may not look good to another. The reviewers on this site are just like us and have their own tastes. They are theme critics not theme experts. It is just their opinion...nothing more. I would rather have the reviewer stand by his opinion than be pressured to change it because we don't agree with him.
Personally, I really like this theme. It is the BEST black theme out now. Some are calling this the best black theme until Omega comes out. How can someone make that statement? IMHO, Daisuke set the standard against which ALL black themes will be judged. This is an excellent USABLE black theme, and this is coming from a bloke who doesn't usually like black themes. I'd actually like to see a white or grey version of Neos. Daisuke?
Posted by Phillip Ryu at March 9, 2004 02:15 PM | Edit | Delete
On the white vs blue text thing, somone posted a screenshot of their modification at the MacNN GUI Customization Forums:
I'd definitely like this better.
Posted by tiny! at March 11, 2004 12:07 PM | Edit | Delete
NEOS is so great
"quoting Ryu:
Yet, one wonders if dark themes are still not quite possible on OS X."
impossible is not a fact, it's an opinion
Posted by esXXI at March 11, 2004 12:30 PM | Edit | Delete
A good review.
While extras are by definition non-essential things, when you go about changing a, basically, light OS into a very dark one you NEED to include things that will completely comply with the new GUI look. It's all well and fine just skinning, perhaps, windows. But if the system's icons are dark (aimed to look better on light, default look), then things become hard to see or find.
Also having these extras help keep a look consistent.
Posted by iNeusch at March 11, 2004 02:55 PM | Edit | Delete
Have you seen the Matrix variation in the same disk image as NeOS 1.2 ? It's at the bottom of the dmg :)
Posted by sergio at March 11, 2004 06:20 PM | Edit | Delete
O_O this is the only black theme i actually like/use! bad review!
Posted by Dan Bedford at March 22, 2004 05:44 PM | Edit | Delete
Updated to 1.2.1.. seems that Finder is excluded from being modded?? Maybe I just need to try logging out again or something...
I already had NEOS 1.2 applied when i downloaded the 1.2.1 update, then I double clicked the .guikit in the NEOS disk image and it brought me to the SS pref pane. I deleted 1.2, then applied 1.2.1, then logged out and logged back in. I'll try some troubleshooting and post back if it was just a small bug.
Posted by Dan Bedford at March 22, 2004 05:48 PM | Edit | Delete
Looks like it was just a small bug, probably related to the way I applied the new 1.2.1 update. I disabled shapeshifter entirely, then logged out/in. Then re-enabled SS, logged out/in... everything back to normal.. : )
Posted by Heiesuke at April 13, 2004 09:03 PM | Edit | Delete
i just love this theme, if he ever did a red flavor i'd be in Nirvana!
Posted by mrtew at April 13, 2004 10:40 PM | Edit | Delete
I love this theme.... it's so cool looking, especially the buttons and tabs etc. I'd use it all the time if it wasn't quite so dark that the text was unreadable in so many places. I'm just sorry that its review was an occasion for so many people to jump on and slam my theme so bad. That's really left a bad taste in my mouth and ruined this great theme for me. Thanks. mrtew-Ti7
Posted by iNeusch at April 24, 2004 09:03 AM | Edit | Delete
Never used it enough because of the color, but this one looks good
Posted by Anubys at May 26, 2004 12:49 AM | Edit | Delete
umm... this may be a stupid question but why do they show more than 2 colors on the preview pic but t only comes with blue and white?
false advertising!!!
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